PL charge City for alleged breaches of financial rules

[halfcenturyup]

There’s is simply no way they are proving that. I refuse to accept that will be the outcome. It’s a preposterous suggestion.

I'm not even sure that is what they are charging. But without details of what we are supposed to have done, it's as clear as mud. Or m'Lud.

 

[Bill Walker]

since this started I am still bemused by how a club of this stature and clout to hire top lawyers, accountants, and auditors, can fall foul of what must be relatively simple (if it's PL driven) rules and regulations ? where have the PL supposedly gotten this information from ?

I'm not saying City are guilty but if we are then the men in charge at the Etihad are a lot less intelligent that I currently think they are.

 

[NatalieM008]

Please, tell me I'm not the only one who is barely sleeping because of this issue!!!

 

[Username Required]

I'm not saying City are guilty but if we are then the men in charge at the Etihad are a lot less intelligent that I currently think they are.

Yes, I agree with that.

 

[halfcenturyup]

I think the accounts on there own look OK but when they are put along side the hacked emails and stories for football leaks the accounts could look slightly different
That's my view on what's gone on

Slightly different doesn't mean accounts don't give a true and fair view. It just means they aren't 100% accurate. But few are. You never see an audit report saying the accounts are 100% accurate.

 

[JULES]

I'm not saying City are guilty but if we are then the men in charge at the Etihad are a lot less intelligent that I currently think they are.

I doubt that

 

[The perfect fumble]

It will go on for years if our evidence is not irrefutable.

It will go on for years whether it is or it isn't.

 

[halfcenturyup]

People really need to stop writing this fucking drivel.

Yes. They should write while fucking women, like the rest of us. Weirdos.

 

[FogBlueInSanFran]

May well be kangaroo charges but the independent panel will not be dodgy, they can't be, the stakes are simply too high for one and all.

This is a serious moment for both parties, both will be damaged, one destroyed.

That’s a very logical approach. But the panel will be criticiz(s)ed for under-punishing us by the overwhelming majority of observers no matter what their conclusions. There won’t be a single allegedly independent analysis that reaches the conclusion that they were overly harsh. Not one.

 

[halfcenturyup]

UEFA already covered the emails. Taken out of context or when not explained they look bad.

City explained them or provided the correct context and were found to have no case to answer.

Is the correct answer. The guy is just a know-nothing looking for attention from other know-nothings.

 

[halfcenturyup]

If you think City would accept this you live in La La land. Not a cat in hells chance

Haha. La La land. Very good, la.

 

[city2]

May as well lock this thread for 2-3 years because that’s how long this is gonna sort out.

 

[Keeper!]

That’s a very logical approach. But the panel will be criticiz(s)ed for under-punishing us by the overwhelming majority of observers no matter what their conclusions. There won’t be a single allegedly independent analysis that reaches the conclusion that they were overly harsh. Not one.

IF that was the conclusion then it could end up in court because as a club we need this monkey off our back ONCE AND FOR ALL.

The CAS outcome in hindsight did us no favors and allowed the narrative and gossip of cheating to continue.

People have used the time limitation outcome to hit us, this is the chance to show that irreputable evidence to end the matter.

 

[Keeper!]

It will go on for years whether it is or it isn't.

IF the evidence is irreputable, why should it?

 

[FogBlueInSanFran]

IF that was the conclusion then it could end up in court because as a club we need this monkey off our back ONCE AND FOR ALL.

The CAS outcome in hindsight did us no favors and allowed the narrative and gossip of cheating to continue.

People have used the time limitation outcome to hit us, this is the chance to show that irreputable evidence to end the matter.

It is. But the monkey will never be off our back. Ever. It’s permanent and forever, or at least for generations, past our deaths. It’s like herpes. Or a bad tattoo. Revenge fantasies are enjoyable to ponder but there is no winning this outside our own sphere — which is not to be discounted, mind. But for the world at large, it’s just about degrees of losing.

Recogniz(s)e — this has always been the fundamental point. A permanent stain.

 

[Keeper!]

It is. But the monkey will never be off our back. Ever. It’s permanent and forever. It’s like herpes. Revenge fantasies are enjoyable to ponder but there is no winning this outside our own sphere — which is not to be discounted, mind. But for the world at large, it’s just about degrees of losing.

The damage is done totally agree but again we should have stood up to it far stronger.

They have fucked us over big time, but again, if the evidence is "irreputable" why have we allowed it to happen.

The PL have made serious allegations public, this is not the actions of just the red top clubs bitterness, this has gone far more serious, this is the end game for one party, because if the PL lose this, there will be enormous implications for it and hopefully a MASSIVE law suit from us.

 

[halfcenturyup]

Sorry, but I refuse to reply to any post that deploys the sinfully wank expression ‘legal team’.

But you just did.

* Vanishes in a puff of logic*

 

[Keeper!]

I'm not saying City are guilty but if we are then the men in charge at the Etihad are a lot less intelligent that I currently think they are.

Arrogance?

Never understood why we and others never fought FFP, if we had none of this would have taken place.

 

[blueju]

What this hearing could lay on City could end up in a criminal investigation if they reach the ludicrous high bar of what they are trying to prove. Hypothetically if the inland revenue rattled down the door and found criminal evidence of wrong doing, we would be off to the high court then.

Surely the Inland Revenue will automatically take a turn at us as any hidden payments would also need tax paying on them?

 

[FogBlueInSanFran]

The damage is done totally agree but again we should have stood up to it far stronger.

They have fucked us over big time, but again, if the evidence is "irreputable" why have we allowed it to happen.

The PL have made serious allegations public, this is not the actions of just the red top clubs bitterness, this has gone far more serious, this is the end game for one party, because if the PL lose this, there will be enormous implications for it and hopefully a MASSIVE law suit from us.

I don’t know shit about British law, but if there’s an in, my hope is a revenge suit has to do with restraint of trade — proof FFP was designed specifically to prevent other football clubs from competing. I’ve always thought of City as Amazon and the cartel as Wal-Mart or pick-your-big-national British retailer. I’ve used this analogy several times. Imagine those retailers being allowed to curtail Amazon’s economic growth and ambitions because it was tech-based, venture funded and made net profit accounting losses while it built its business. And imagine such restrictions were in the guise of protecting Amazon’s employees and customers, and the employees and customers of every little podunk Mom and Pop retailer around too. That’s FFP. It’s likely provable with a century’s worth of football financial statements that the correlation between administration and debt/cash flow is exceedingly high (perhaps 1) whereas between net income and administration is low. So why was net income used? We know why.