EU referendum

EU referendum

  • In

    Votes: 503 47.9%

  • Out

    Votes: 547 52.1%
  • Total voters
    1,050
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bobmcfc said:
Well this actually shows quite a large divide. The word brexiter is thrown around here like a derogatory term and quite frankly it's offensive ! It's people like you that divide and conquer because you think you know it all but You don't know it all

its surprised me really ! The word Brexiter now seems like a dirty word ! An insult even, I'd be glad to never hear the term ever again . It's like a person scowls and looks down their nose as they say it. I do want out but others can vote as they wish, personally care not for an institution that despises us as nation. They need us yet hold us in contempt but I'm not here to tell anyone how to think, this is just what I intend to do.
I'm probably just tired of the handful on here that are being over the top in there views
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I thought Brexit was the commonly known term for the out campaign. I don't think many people would find it offensive!

I like everyone else can't know it all because the future is uncertain. The recent turbulence in the stock market does suggest that the economy is more at risk of Brexit (and associate speculation) in the short term but we don't know if the economy will be better or worse in the longer term.
 
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kevin horlocks wand said:
He has an unhealthy desire to tell people in the uk what's best for them when it does not affect him. He also talks about me paying more tax from the other side of the world. He lives and works in Australia good luck to him. I am not going to tell him how to vote in Australia or how much tax he should or should not pay. It's his business.

He also said by the way voting leave would be much more severe than 911. The economic impacts of 911 and the war and terror that followed that atrocity is nonsense. It's a pathetic analogy.

Get real if we stay in or vote leave the effects on the globe, economic or otherwise are not going to be anything like 911. Life will move on for us all. If it was that dramatic we would not be voting on the referendum in the first place.

Have some perspective.
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Its fair to say that in the long term I would suspect (and I don't put down every cent of military spend or war down to 911 that started earlier in Afghanistan, in Iran, in Iraq , in Washington 911 was an accelerant) that Brexit will have much more far reaching economic consequences than 911. In part because we have no ammunition left to support banks, grow trade. The cupboards are now bare, interest rates are finished as a weapon so now any shock could be a knockout. if we were a boxer we have been knocked down twice a third punch could be far weaker but have more serious consequences.

It does effect me - thankfully not as directly, I will vote, I have family in the UK, my kids are British citizens, I will hate it if Britain inflicts a wound on itself that is unnecessary and costs family and friends , denies them future opportunities and weakens Britains voice in the world. I moved to Aus but it doesn't change me giving a shit.

As for the Goldman Sachs thing as much as it would be funny to mess with Blueonblue by playing my part in a worldwide conspiracy I can honestly say I have never had anything to do with them in my life - not sure yogurt knitters are made for investment banking. Not sure where that one came from.

Life will move on but it may be poorer, it may restrict opportunities and it may be a life in a country struggling in a realisation it has sacrificed trade and in its place gained nothing as people realise the sovereignty ship has long since sailed.

As I've said many many times, the EU is not the issue, Brexit is a red herring and it is being used to stop people from having to tackle the real issues and make the hard decisions - that is a fault of both in and out, Brexit believe everything can be blamed on Europe , Cameron believes we can pretend all is ok, both are wrong.

If people spent time looking at the real long term trends, the big economic and demographic picture and were more informed generally maybe something could be done but one thing that is clear is ignorance is bliss and the ostrich approach is the preference of British politicians
 
Tim of the Oak said:
I thought Brexit was the commonly known term for the out campaign. I don't think many people would find it offensive!

I like everyone else can't know it all because the future is uncertain. The recent turbulence in the stock market does suggest that the economy is more at risk of Brexit (and associate speculation) in the short term but we don't of the economy will be better or worse in the longer term.
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No we don't and that is the point. We have had a couple of recessions since the 80s. We've had some grim times despite being part of the EU but in or out This is life and how economies work but you cannot be afraid to stand away from the crowd. I know you will vote in because you believe that it will be good for Britain to remain, I applaud you're Courage of conviction and respect that you know that you are doing what you feel is right. Others will go the opposite way.
 
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bobmcfc said:
No we don't and that is the point. We have had a couple of recessions since the 80s. We've had some grim times despite being part of the EU but in or out this great is life and how economies work but you cannot be afraid to stand away from the crowd. I know you will vote in because you believe that it will be good for Britain to remain, I applaud you're Courage of conviction and respect that you know that you are doing what you feel is right. Others will go the opposite way.
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Good post. Yes I will vote in but there are also valid reasons for voting out and our Country will go on whichever way the vote goes.
 
Tim of the Oak said:
Good post. Yes I will vote in but there are valid reasons for voting out and our Country will go whichever way the vote goes.
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Apologies for the typos, the screen on my borrowed phone, although functional is smashed to bits making it hard to see what I've typed. I get my new phone tomorrow
 
Tim of the Oak said:
Straight out of the SNP campaign book!
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If I tell my three year old not to play around with water near electrical items or she could get hurt, is that a threat or sensible advice? When did sensible advice become a threat and is this a deliberate and clever strategy to try and discredit sensible advice by brexiters?
 
Yaya_Tony said:
Ealing mate I'm sure you are a sound bloke but you're not doing the "remain" camp any favours. To be frank you come across as a loudmouth ****, who's opinion is more valid than anyone else. And I'm on your side!! Wind it in pal.
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As I don't believe either Brexit or remain is going to solve the issues I am probably far less a remainer than you or many others. That's probably why - loud mouth **** a very fair description though!
 
Yaya_Tony said:
loudmouth cunts, bojo farage and gove also?? ;-)

considering abstaining from this one, it honestly seems pointless. fuck all will be different immediately. ignorance is bliss for many voters, and they don't give a monkeys for their kids, or kids kids. we're European, the bigoted Muppets voting out, if it happens, will see a shitstorm over the next decades. moving to Asia if it goes down.
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Our politicians care about the next election and tomorrow's news cycle the people are no better . Always looking for someone to blame and easy magic wand solutions so selling out the future.
 
sir baconface said:
Possibly. If so, Dover could be the cradle. A down-at-heel town disfigured by immigration fallout and already home to regular "fascist"/"anti-fascist" clashes.

Hopefully not.
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Time to ask for evidence to back this up.

The last census ( a little out of date ) doesn't suggest any heavy immigration.

http://localstats.co.uk/census-demographics/england/south-east/dover

89.6% of people living in Dover were born in England. Other top answers for country of birth were 1.6% Scotland, 1.1% Wales, 0.4% Ireland, 0.4% Northern Ireland, 0.4% United States, 0.3% India, 0.2% South Africa, 0.1% Hong Kong , 0.1% Australia.

The only dodgy stuff I can find is the BNP types causing trouble

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news...13-after-immigration-demos-in-dover-turn-ugly
 
Just watching Gove on the QT special - talking a lot - answering very little just speaking in cliche's and ending almost every answer with the phrase "take back control". Probably seen as a model performance in political terms - say nowt expect what you want and get maximum airtime - but a total waste of time in terms of adding to the debate.

Interestingly when pushed he said we pay around £20bn pa into the EU and get approx £20bn back. Then went on to stick to the £350m pw paid in to the EU. I make that about £190m pw then - when is a lie not a lie?
 
The brexit mob are all bellends. The political remainers are twats too, but they can at least see the bigger picture. Not one of the brexiters has any redeemable qualities, the primary trait is selfishness. Side with that?? No chance.
 
bluethrunthru said:
Just watching Gove on the QT special - talking a lot - answering very little just speaking in cliche's and ending almost every answer with the phrase "take back control". Probably seen as a model performance in political terms - say nowt expect what you want and get maximum airtime - but a total waste of time in terms of adding to the debate.

Interestingly when pushed he said we pay around £20bn pa into the EU and get approx £20bn back. Then went on to stick to the £350m pw paid in to the EU. I make that about £190m pw then - when is a lie not a lie?
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A lie is the truth and the truth is a scare tactic .
 
EalingBlue2 said:
Our politicians care about the next election and tomorrow's news cycle the people are no better . Always looking for someone to blame and easy magic wand solutions so selling out the future.
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That's a fact of all career politicians. In the old days you had to have made a name for yourself in an industry before running for office, not walk straight out of school and try to represent the people.

Don't know if anyone knows this, but continental Europeans don't even need a passport. The fuckheads in charge ballsed that one up a few decades ago.
 
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