EU referendum

[YPhrunts]

no but an increase in cars in reference to the number of people coming into the country is a nonsense, as the point is more and more households have more than one car now than say 20 years agao

So you don't think suddenly importing thousands of people into the country is going to have any effect on congestion? Right ho.

 

[EalingBlue2]

Someone said that you and others with your incessant banging on in a manner that is so patronising and condescending have likely pushed undecided voters towards Leave. I think that this is likely right - and is in common with the outcome of Gideon's approach - not a very successful debating outcome. The rub is that it is a referendum and the vote of any one of those pathetic weak-minded people carries the same weight has yours.

As mentioned before remain has gone from 40 to nearly 45 in the last 100 or so votes so if that's true your boys with your conspiracy theories, ignoring facts and getting over excited about immigration have shifted 3 times as many. That said if I'd have shut up maybe Brexit arguments would have put off everyone and it'd be 50:50 by now?

 

[EalingBlue2]

It's a damn shame that people 40-49 years old don't get to vote ....

I think this is going round in circles now with a week to go, most on this are already pretty much decided either way and doubt anything is gonna change their mind within a week.
Latest polling averaging out various polls

Remain 43%
leave 49%
Undecided 8%

Also interesting graphic in the FT on the demographics of the 2 sides


Although it is missing some sections of society (north west ans 40-49 age range for example)

Basically the older or less educated you are the more you move towards Brexit they younger better educated the more remain seems to be the story.

 

[urban genie]

So you don't think suddenly importing thousands of people into the country is going to have any effect on congestion? Right ho.

well I see you ignored my first point about the failing to invest in our infrastructure, I never mentioned building on green belt land and cannot see why you used that example. I don't know about kent much but I use the public transport system in manchester and it is normally full of what you call imports as well as the elderly and working class local, the low paid. These are people who probably don't own a car, so no I don't think thousands of people arrive in the uk and then all start driving around.

 

[CityStu]

Basically the older or less educated you are the more you move towards Brexit they younger better educated the more remain seems to be the story.

I'd be interested to see if education is controlled for age. Many more young people have degrees.

 

[JoeMercer'sWay]

As mentioned before remain has gone from 40 to nearly 45 in the last 100 or so votes so if that's true your boys with your conspiracy theories, ignoring facts and getting over excited about immigration have shifted 3 times as many. That said if I'd have shut up maybe Brexit arguments would have put off everyone and it'd be 50:50 by now?

I'll change my vote at the top to remain if you shut up for the rest of this thread.

 

[EalingBlue2]

What about Wales?

Wales is fine with remain, iT is a net beneficiary from Europe now and will continue to be so

 

[YPhrunts]

Private mobile phone survey shows that the tragic death of that poor unfortunate politician has had an effect on attitudes but not what was expected.

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-...ll-after-jo-cox-death-reveals-stunning-result

 

[mcfc1632]

A UK inside the EU is going to have benefits and influence across all our borders, an out vote puts the nation at the mercy of Boris fuckibg Johnson. That alone is reason to stay.

Is that not a bit simplistic?

 

[halfcenturyup]

Basically the older or less educated you are the more you move towards Brexit they younger better educated the more remain seems to be the story.

I think you missed my point.

 

[YPhrunts]

well I see you ignored my first point about the failing to invest in our infrastructure, I don't know about kent much but I use the public transport system in manchester and it is normally full of what you call imports as well as the elderly and working class local, the low paid. These are people who probably don't own a car, so no I don't think thousands of people arrive in the uk and then all start driving around.

All comes down to personal experience doesn't it which was my opening post on the subject. You won't get any truthful figures on the subject from a government that bends them to suit their agenda as has been proven by the official and unofficial figures on migration numbers.
I attend a weekly auction that is also frequented by Eastern Europeans looking for cheap stuff. They arrive in vans and cars.

 

[malg]

Basically the older or less educated you are the more you move towards Brexit they younger better educated the more remain seems to be the story.

Poor wumming that. Did you get anyone?

 

[EalingBlue2]

Same

I imagine they have done thier own

Bookies don't care about the outcome in terms of what they want the outcome to be. They will lay off bets so that they make money in nearly every or most cases. The worst outcome for Themis a well backed favourite winning.

That is what makes me think, looking at the betting pattern here that there must have been some huge sums bet on remaining.

there have bookies saying 80% of the number are on Brexit but only a third of the money. All that means is the average remain punt is about 8x higher than an out bet, reflecting demographics and professional money

Poor wumming that. Did you get anyone?

thats what the stats show! The most educated demographics in, the least out, oldest demographics in , youngest out. Not a value judgement just numbers and as has been pointed out all votes count the same

 

[smudgedj]

Poor wumming that. Did you get anyone?

Change less educated for working class.

 

[EalingBlue2]

I'd be interested to see if education is controlled for age. Many more young people have degrees.

They were separate factors though as you say clearly related. I doubt they factor for it very much as they are separate factors

 

[malg]

Change less educated for working class.

Aahhhhh.......now I get it! Must be true anyway as pollsters never, ever get stuff wrong.

 

[InMyLifetime-BaconChops]

Posting this for a second time. Interested to get 2nd opinions. Personally I think it's fantastic, incredibly eloquent and always in full control of the facts.

 

[Metal Biker]

Change less educated for working class.

Oh dem those working classes, dem them!

 

[smudgedj]

Aahhhhh.......now I get it! Must be true anyway as pollsters never, ever get stuff wrong.

It's working-class people who experience the downsides of immigration.

 

[Monkfish]

I would suggest that the best thing the British electorate can do for the rest of Europe is to vote out and lead by example thus giving the other peoples of this continent the initiative to stand up and demand their own referendum to make a choice. Cameron is frankly a traitor and should be hung.

you couldn't get to Cameron so you shot and stabbed your local...?