EU referendum

[Tim of the Oak]

They really won't. Brexit would have had to be ten points up in the polls for me to think it was likely. People's arses go on polling day.

I think we are already in squeaky bum time (at least for some)!

 

[cibaman]

I was talking about Bojo's intentions. May may well have adopted a cleverer strategy but they both want to be PM.

It is relevant to the debate because it goes to the centre of how committed the leaders of the camps are? Bojo is probably more pro EU than Cameron!

Dunno what Johnson's intentions are, but switching to the Leave side must help his ambitions to become PM. He's always been sure of the job, IF he makes the short list of two on which the membership vote. But its been said a few times that he isn't that popular with Tory MPs. In an election not dominated by the EU, there was a chance that he might come 3rd in the MPs vote behind May and Osborne (before Osborne self destructed). Becoming standard bearer for Leave has greatly reduced his chances of that happening. His only problem now is that Tory MPs might put May & Gove on the shortlist ahead of him.

 

[SWP's back]

I think we are already in squeaky bum time (at least for some)!

No one's lives will be ruined by an In vote though. People may be pissed off but it's just a continuance of whatever level of being pissed off they are already at.

An out vote is a step into the unknown and whilst I'm interested to see why would happen, it reminds me of being 12 and wondering what would happen if I pissed on an electric cattle fence. Turns out some things are best left unknown.

 

[adrianr]

Interesting. You think GCHQ doesn't have access to your web cam. :-)

They would have a job, considering I don't have one ;)

 

[Tim of the Oak]

Dunno what Johnson's intentions are, but switching to the Leave side must help his ambitions to become PM. He's always been sure of the job, IF he makes the short list of two on which the membership vote. But its been said a few times that he isn't that popular with Tory MPs. In an election not dominated by the EU, there was a chance that he might come 3rd in the MPs vote behind May and Osborne (before Osborne self destructed). Becoming standard bearer for Leave has greatly reduced his chances of that happening. His only problem now is that Tory MPs might put May & Gove on the shortlist ahead of him.

Bojo sounds like Spurs' finish to the season! Boris did find millions towards Spurs' new ground so there could be a link.

Hopefully Bojo's chances of becoming PM have slipped because I think he could be very dangerous for our country!

 

[Blue Hefner]

Got mine 2 weeks ago but i never take it as they will have you on the list

Cheers, I usually recieve it a couple of weeks inadvance so just wondered if they'd stopped sending them out - is it just photo ID I need to take?

 

[urban genie]

Cheers, I usually recieve it a couple of weeks inadvance so just wondered if they'd stopped sending them out - is it just photo ID I need to take?

I don't even take that just say my name and address, pretty lax when you think about it

 

[mcfc1632]

So his 'evidence' in his own words comes down to his opinion that he sees it as 'valuable' to remain and then goes on to say we need to be at the table in order to change the EU from within. Christ!
Has he been asleep for the past few weeks and not registered that Cameron was sent back with piddling concessions that have yet to be ratified after our vote has been made and there will be no chance of that happening. Does he not recognise that the European Treaties are set in stone and that the ECJ will never change anything? Wasted 16 minutes of my life watching that. :-)

Thank you - was planning to watch that when home in a bit - glad you summed it up so succinctly and save me 16 mins of my life

 

[BigJoe#1]

And why the flying fuck does it matter what 900 people say on a football forum? There is a fair degree of obsessing going on, I think.

Ask EB2.... He brought the subject up, I was merely commenting on it. Like you I think EB2s comment was pretty meaningless too.

 

[117 M34]

Dunno what Johnson's intentions are, but switching to the Leave side must help his ambitions to become PM. He's always been sure of the job, IF he makes the short list of two on which the membership vote. But its been said a few times that he isn't that popular with Tory MPs. In an election not dominated by the EU, there was a chance that he might come 3rd in the MPs vote behind May and Osborne (before Osborne self destructed). Becoming standard bearer for Leave has greatly reduced his chances of that happening. His only problem now is that Tory MPs might put May & Gove on the shortlist ahead of him.

Gove as PM does not bear thinking about

 

[AlgarveBlu]

I live in the south east and have been at the postal vote turnout counts, they do not officially count the leave remain votes they simply place the votes in stacks of 50 and then place them all in the ballot box sealed. However of course, as you are watching the counters organize the ballot papers, you can see what box's are ticked, lets just say i was extremely surprised at strength of the X's next to leave.

And what about the strength of the x's next to remain ? :-)

 

[mcfc1632]

I'll change my vote at the top to remain if you shut up for the rest of this thread.

I'm Spartacus

 

[Luck95]

And what about the strength of the x's next to remain ? :-)

Based on what I say I would say every stack was at minimum 60/40 for leave, but on average 70/30 leave

 

[bluethrunthru]

Could .....

Turkey could join the EU. The UK could negotiate its own trade deals. We could spend and extra £350m per week on the NHS - all Brexit nailed on reasons to leave - none of them anything other than could.

 

[bluethrunthru]

Probably countering the arguement that MPs would use their Parliamentary power to over turn a Brexit vote.... Democracy did you say?
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hey in my view if Brexit wins then that should be that - I want to stay but if a majority vote to leave MP's shouldn't fucking over turn that

 

[nellyonthewing]

People need to understand neither side can guarantee a single thing. Neither side has a right or wrong monopoly. Ask yourself if we were out now would you vote to go in. I voted in the 1970's referendum and what we are now part of in no way resembles what I voted to join back then.

 

[Luck95]

People need to understand neither side can guarantee a single thing. Neither side has a right or wrong monopoly. Ask yourself if we were out now would you vote to go in. I voted in the 1970's referendum and what we are now part of in no way resembles what I voted to join back then.

That's how I look at it, if we was not a member would I vote to join? 1000% no

 

[mcfc1632]

Bloody hell, I'm well confused started off thinking staying in was the way forward, now I'm thinking out!!! How is anybody supposed to know what to vote, people with more financial nous than me can't agree, what chance have us plebs got :(

No such thing as a pleb anymore mate - we still have a lying as fuck ruling class - but their vote counts no more than yours does - just work out (or go with your gut) on which ones you think are the real liars

 

[halfcenturyup]

Turkey could join the EU. The UK could negotiate its own trade deals. We could spend and extra £350m per week on the NHS - all Brexit nailed on reasons to leave - none of them anything other than could.

Well that was rather my point ..... no-one has a Scoobie's. The only thing for sure is that there will be uncertainty until things become more, well, certain and that will have a negative impact. After that no-one can make sensible predictions because there are too many variables. So it's a question of an individual's principles vs an unquantifiable short term cost. You want to be more integrated into Europe, vote Remain. You don't, vote Leave. Basically, vote how the hell you want. Forget all the other crap. It's just noise.

And don't listen to any twats here or anywhere else that think they know better than you. Because they don't.

 

[SWP's back]

Turkey could join the EU. The UK could negotiate its own trade deals. We could spend and extra £350m per week on the NHS - all Brexit nailed on reasons to leave - none of them anything other than could.

You could have a point. You could have understood the point. You could understand various livelihoods. The sun could explode tomorrow. It could rain tomorrow.

Some are more likely than others.