PL charge City for alleged breaches of financial rules

[halfcenturyup]

I’m not fighting his corner, not sure how you’d get that from my post, I’m saying he’s not as powerful as some think. Even if he is conniving with clubs, it still takes 14 of them to agree with whatever is proposed. It doesn’t really matter who is in charge of the PL as CEO, it’s always been more about the club owners. We’ve been involved in some back room deals with others too.

He can be as powerful as he wants to be. The clubs aren't in charge of what gets discussed at the meetings. He is. They aren't responsible for presenting documentation to the meetings, he is. If there is something asked for by the clubs which goes against the spirit of competition or that he thinks will be challenged on the grounds of illegality, he should be strong enough to say no and the clubs can vote him out if they don't like it.

He is a patsy. Platini was a patsy as well and that is how all this shit started. Ceferin, at least, has some balls. Masters needs to grow some before the PL is in big trouble in the courts. One way or another, he won't be around much longer, he must know that. He should stand up, show some backbone and do what is right for once in his miserable existence.

 

[halfcenturyup]

Full article here without the paywall https://archive.ph/YDtDj

Well, what a load of bollocks. No organisation, connected to an owner or not, is going to lay bare its commercial sponsorship strategy to an organisation that leaks like a sieve, like the PL. The most they will get is a letter saying the deal is at a fair value to the sponsor and if the PL disapproves it, straight to court to get the whole thing thrown out.

The burden is on the club to show the sponsorship is at fair value? On what planet? The responsibility of any director at any club is to maximise revenues for the benefit of its shareholders. The PL has a problem? They can prove it.

This is just like the way they referee matches. Employ stupid interpretations, then when they are found to be stupid, change them into something more detailed and more stupid. It really is mind-boggling how badly is run the whole organisation.

 

[eyalluvitt]

Well, what a load of bollocks. No organisation, connected to an owner or not, is going to lay bare its commercial sponsorship strategy to an organisation that leaks like a sieve, like the PL. The most they will get is a letter saying the deal is at a fair value to the sponsor and if the PL disapproves it, straight to court to get the whole thing thrown out.

The burden is on the club to show the sponsorship is at fair value? On what planet? The responsibility of any director at any club is to maximise revenues for the benefit of its shareholders. The PL has a problem? They can prove it.

This is just like the way they referee matches. Employ stupid interpretations, then when they are found to be stupid, change them into something more detailed and more stupid. It really is mind-boggling how badly is run the whole organisation.

How long is a piece of string? Surely a sponsorship deal is worth what someone is willing to pay? Comparing our deals in 2008 to now is going to have a larger differential than certain other clubs because we started from much further back. The PL are becoming a boa constrictor around its own products neck

 

[Silva61]

He can be as powerful as he wants to be. The clubs aren't in charge of what gets discussed at the meetings. He is. They aren't responsible for presenting documentation to the meetings, he is. If there is something asked for by the clubs which goes against the spirit of competition or that he thinks will be challenged on the grounds of illegality, he should be strong enough to say no and the clubs can vote him out if they don't like it.

He is a patsy. Platini was a patsy as well and that is how all this shit started. Ceferin, at least, has some balls. Masters needs to grow some before the PL is in big trouble in the courts. One way or another, he won't be around much longer, he must know that. He should stand up, show some backbone and do what is right for once in his miserable existence.

Has anybody got an opinion on what the rags chairpersons role is at these PL meetings.

 

[halfcenturyup]

Has anybody got an opinion on what the rags chairpersons role is at these PL meetings.

She is a full-time executive Chairman as far as I can make out, although she doesn't seem to be referred to any where as executive, and she is keeping a very low profile, probably understandably.

She chairs the Board, which includes Masters and three non-executives, whose responsibilities are, according to the PL to (among other things):

- Manage the affairs of the Premier League including its operation and administration and the implementation of the Premier League Rules.
- Take such steps as it considers necessary to give effect to any policy resolved upon by clubs at a Shareholders’ Meeting.
- Make recommendations and proposals to clubs on matters of importance to the Premier League (including changes to the Premier League Rules).
- The Board has a wide range of roles and responsibilities under the Premier League Rules. It is the entity responsible for resolving disputes in many cases, as well as the body responsible for prosecuting breaches of the Rules when they occur.
- Where appropriate, in accordance with the Articles, the Board delegates authority to other groups or committees (such as the Premier League Football Board) to take decisions on its behalf.

So she seems to be equally as responsible for any mess the PL makes, as Masters himself.

May be wrong. Happy to be corrected.

 

[Blue_Lightsaber]

It's about time for a revolution if the other teams can get on board and pass something revolutionary like this:

1. For rigging the premier league.. Rags, Dips, Goons & Spurs kicked out of PL and to be deducted 114 points for the next 20 times they get back in.

2. All PGMOL/ VAR officials sacked and replaced with new

3. All so called rules made by them reset to 2005 (pre-glazer era) returning the Premier League to competition!

4. All charges against other teams dismissed.

The red cartel will sue sure.. but it can be delayed for a 100 years!

 

[Mancini Manus Domini]

If these new rules were in place when we first agreed our 10 year deal with Etihad I'm guessing it wouldn't have been approved.

The deal may have looked generous to us at the time but proved excellent value to Etihad.

 

[halfcenturyup]

If these new rules were in place when we first agreed our 10 year deal with Etihad I'm guessing it wouldn't have been approved.

The deal may have looked generous to us at the time but proved excellent value to Etihad.

And that is the problem with these new rules. It's trying to limit sponsorship to a current fair value, whereas sponsorships are a commitment to deliver value and mutual growth over a longer term. Unless you are United and the sponsors all run away after a couple of years. The whole concept is ridiculous and will be challenged in court, I imagine, the first time a sponsorship is refused by the PL.

 

[mancboy]

I genuinely believe they all want rid of the bad Muslim. He don’t belong here, we made the league and he is not good for sport in England. We need to save the league from this awful person who creates jobs, pumps millions into the economy and regenerates run down areas all o while making blue dreams come true. Nah he is not one of us Daniel. Don’t belong here!

Ok we will create loads of rules to chase him out. The corruption between certain clubs is disgusting.

Proposed new pl owners test:

 

[mancboy]

And that is the problem with these new rules. It's trying to limit sponsorship to a current fair value, whereas sponsorships are a commitment to deliver value and mutual growth over a longer term. Unless you are United and the sponsors all run away after a couple of years. The whole concept is ridiculous and will be challenged in court, I imagine, the first time a sponsorship is refused by the PL.

Quite simply fair value will never work because no outside entity can determine the value, the market decides the value and it was always thus, its like ford telling ferrari they need to reduce the price of their cars because they dont represent good value and it isnt fair but the reality is what someone is prepared to pay determines the value of something not what someone says it is worth.

Take the netflix documentary, now in football a 7 figure sum isnt a round of drinks so in monetary terms it looks terrible value for us but in terms of exposure it has massive value and that cant be put on the books or described in monetary terms so the people who are supposedly deciding these deals have literally no way of determining what a fair market value is, the value of a genuine world superstar and global icon like pep or haaland or kdb being associated with your brand far outweighs the monetary value being put in which in relative terms to the companies we are dealing with is a pittance.