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[Heidenreich]

Anyone favouring this super league, founded and ran by the likes of Utd, Liverpool, Arsenal, Real, Barca and Juve… over UEFA… isn’t thinking straight.

Our best chance of not being cheated is by UEFA remaining top dog and City becoming an ally to them.

Possibly true and maybe one of the reason why we were a big scepting about it.

I think the Cartel Clubs have more Problem with PSG. If u look at our Wage Bill and spending , were healthy and are playing to the current Rules. United spent more then us and have a higher Wage Bill. Barca and Real also have higher Wage bills then us

 

[Octavian]

Possibly true and maybe one of the reason why we were a big scepting about it.

I think the Cartel Clubs have more Problem with PSG. If u look at our Wage Bill and spending , were healthy and are playing to the current Rules. United spent more then us and have a higher Wage Bill. Barca and Real also have higher Wage bills then us

They want us gone and gone for good, they’ve spent the last decade trying it.

Our spending is overrated but that doesn’t mean they don’t want rid of us, our spending, structure and manager is why we’re successful. Only one of those will change.

 

[Heidenreich]

They want us gone and gone for good, they’ve spent the last decade trying it.

Our spending is overrated but that doesn’t mean they don’t want rid of us, our spending, structure and manager is why we’re successful. Only one of those will change.

We are too big now, they kinda accepted us.

 

[Heidenreich]

Watzke ( Dortmund CEO ) : The Super League is not off the Table. If we and Bayern would have agreed back then , Super League would have already happend due the strength of German Market . The biggest Mistake is to underestimate Perez, he learns from his mistakes. A Closed shop won't happen now

It seems like this is inevitable this or next year.

 

[waspish]

Watzke ( Dortmund CEO ) : The Super League is not off the Table. If we and Bayern would have agreed back then , Super League would have already happend due the strength of German Market . The biggest Mistake is to underestimate Perez, he learns from his mistakes. A Closed shop won't happen now

It seems like this is inevitable this or next year.

If it’s comes back be interesting how they going to get around it not being a closed shop.

 

[blue b4 the moon]

If it’s comes back be interesting how they going to get around it not being a closed shop.

Its also interesting how the German league think they're so important.

Without Prem sides it's not going to happen.

 

[Corky]

Its also interesting how the German league think they're so important.

Without Prem sides it's not going to happen.

There was plenty of demand from PL sides last time that is not the issue. The issue was PSG and BM not joining which caused Chelsea to bottle it and everyone else followed.

 

[blue b4 the moon]

There was plenty of demand from PL sides last time that is not the issue. The issue was PSG and BM not joining which caused Chelsea to bottle it and everyone else followed.

I seem to remember we pulled out first but history was re-written.

Demand from 3 Prem sides and another 2/3/4 following which is what would be needed is a different story.

 

[Corky]

I seem to remember we pulled out first but history was re-written.

Demand from 3 Prem sides and another 2/3/4 following which is what would be needed is a different story.

Chelsea announced they were leaving first but then City claimed to have actually left hours after. It was PR.

What was re-written was Khaldoon Al Mubarak claiming to 'own' the mistake a month or so after, when the Soriano had sent the apology email with no mention of Khaldoon shortly after the events.

 

[M18CTID]

How are UEFA going to win the Court Case in April against the Super League ?

Has anybody thought about ?

Like even how bad and aweful the Super League was, UEFA threatened them with fines and bans and forced other Clubs to sign documents. Also they wanted to ban Super League Players from their competition.

That's a Monopoly , it's like Google forbidding other company's to build smartphones or they wont let them use Android Software for them.

U don't need even good lawyers , they can't win. UEFA is actually screwed

Spot on. As much as the vast majority of us fans of the 6 English clubs involved were against the idea, the uncomfortable truth is that I don't think what the clubs were proposing to do was in any way illegal. In terms of destroying the traditions that fans thrive on plus making it effectively a closed shop, it was a complete and utter shit show and like many others I absolutely hated the fucking idea, but it wasn't breaking any laws as far as I know.

Now if a new proposal comes about that isn't a closed shop, preserves the integrity of the domestic leagues, and is actually fairer and less weighted towards the so-called elite clubs than the UEFA competitions then I can see it getting off the ground and UEFA will be toast.

 

[Heidenreich]

Its also interesting how the German league think they're so important.

Without Prem sides it's not going to happen.

If the German would have joined , Super League would have happend.

Remember even if English Clubs refused to join , they would have stayed in the Champions League. Since all top clubs would be gone from there , Champions League would be a glorified FA Cup and the top Teams would lose so much money while the other European Teams would have gained alot of Money.

The Result would mean that the Super League Club would have buyed off Premier League Players and the Quality of the League would have been decreased essentially becoming farmers for the Super League

 

[SatOnTheWall]

If the German would have joined , Super League would have happend.

Remember even if English Clubs refused to join , they would have stayed in the Champions League. Since all top clubs would be gone from there , Champions League would be a glorified FA Cup and the top Teams would lose so much money while the other European Teams would have gained alot of Money.

The Result would mean that the Super League Club would have buyed off Premier League Players and the Quality of the League would have been decreased essentially becoming farmers for the Super League

Like every team but one in the Bundesliga then.

If the Premier League did not exist, the european super league would not be necessary.

 

[SilvaisSkyBlue]

There was plenty of demand from PL sides last time that is not the issue. The issue was PSG and BM not joining which caused Chelsea to bottle it and everyone else followed.

I seem to remember we pulled out first but history was re-written.

Demand from 3 Prem sides and another 2/3/4 following which is what would be needed is a different story.

Chelsea announced they were leaving first but then City claimed to have actually left hours after. It was PR.

What was re-written was Khaldoon Al Mubarak claiming to 'own' the mistake a month or so after, when the Soriano had sent the apology email with no mention of Khaldoon shortly after the events.

https://www.reuters.com/lifestyle/s...sea-quitting-super-league-reports-2021-04-20/

Section from Reuters report;


‘’LONDON, April 20 (Reuters) - Premier League leaders Manchester City became the first of the 12 founder clubs to withdraw from the new European Super League (ESL) on Tuesday as the project started to disintegrate.

Chelsea were earlier reported by the BBC to be preparing the paperwork to quit the controversial new competition but City made it official.’’

Not claimed or PR, or preparing paperwork, left.

 

[Newman Noggs]

Not only that but Perez, the biggest mouthpiece for the "super league" blames City for bringing it down and he should know.

Pérez blames one breakaway English club for Super League's collapse

The Super League collapsed partly because one club, understood to be Manchester City, was not fully on board, according to Pérez

www.theguardian.com

Which begs the question, if German clubs are on board with the scheme, who would they replace from the original founders ? I can think of one club they'd love not to be involved.

 

[Heidenreich]

Not only that but Perez, the biggest mouthpiece for the "super league" blames City for bringing it down and he should know.

Pérez blames one breakaway English club for Super League's collapse

The Super League collapsed partly because one club, understood to be Manchester City, was not fully on board, according to Pérez

www.theguardian.com

Which begs the question, if German clubs are on board with the scheme, who would they replace from the original founders ? I can think of one club they'd love not to be involved.

Dortmund PSG and Bayern were founders all along . They just got time since Bayern and Dortmund are fan run and would have explained to the fans and PSG were scared about the FFP measurements

 

[Marvin]

I wonder how long it will take fans of Man Utd and Liverpool to gravitate towards the idea of an ESL?

 

[Heidenreich]

I wonder how long it will take fans of Man Utd and Liverpool to gravitate towards the idea of an ESL?

I already see many Liverpool fans for it

 

[Marvin]

I already see many Liverpool fans for it

I don't like the idea of it. I love the rivalry of the Premier League. It would quickly get boring. I have heard Liverpool fans arguing for it too. "It's the only way we can police Manchester City". They live in a dreamworld where City are some ogre that is cheating the system. In reality we are playing the system that they set up. And yet it is bent because the most successful clubs get the most money and therefore like Bayern get to monopolise sporting success. I don't think City should go for the ESL because we have a lot of room to grow as it is. The ESL is risky for City. And anyway, from a fans point of view I prefer domestic league and Champions League.

 

[Corky]

https://www.reuters.com/lifestyle/s...sea-quitting-super-league-reports-2021-04-20/

Section from Reuters report;


‘’LONDON, April 20 (Reuters) - Premier League leaders Manchester City became the first of the 12 founder clubs to withdraw from the new European Super League (ESL) on Tuesday as the project started to disintegrate.

Chelsea were earlier reported by the BBC to be preparing the paperwork to quit the controversial new competition but City made it official.’’

Not claimed or PR, or preparing paperwork, left.

Announced 20 mins after Chelsea. Fantastic leadership, followed my leader in and out.

 

[MillionMilesAway]

Announced 20 mins after Chelsea. Fantastic leadership, followed my leader in and out.

I'm not terribly bothered whether City were before or after Chelsea.

It seemed pretty clear that they were both only invited once the idea was formed, and I assume were talking to each other and agreed to both pull out at the same time.