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Would you be happy if City joined this European Super League?

  • Yes

    Votes: 109 5.3%

  • No

    Votes: 1,954 94.7%
  • Total voters
    2,063
MCFC1993 said:
It's the case of getting out of the competition that threatens the very fabric of football, then tackle UEFA's proposals. UEFA's proposal is also crap but it's still fundamentally merit based, they're the lesser of 2 evils here.
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Unfortunately their proposal is all but cut and dried. It is what we are getting.
 
roubaixtuesday said:
It doesn't really matter to them - it won't affect their income stream either way.

Whatever the criteria are to be in those 5, the 5 have got to meet them (win domestic league, go through play offs etc) *and* compete in the same year's ESL if they're going to maintain their cashflow.

That'll be nigh on impossible competing against 15 clubs who don't need to give two fucks about their domestic league position, so will play their best players in the ESL (who will be paid far more than those from the 5).

So it'll be a rotating 5 almost certainly, with a financial position so much weaker they can't compete on two fronts.
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Fifteen Harlem Globetrotters and five Washington Generals
 
OB1 said:
Hello my friend,

I think it kind of does: it is one logical extension of what has gone before.

I'm a football romantic and traditionalist in many ways; in fact, I've never liked on that basis the fact we have a Premier League and then the Football League but life, business etc moves on.
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Hi mate. I understand what you’re saying. Business does move on. Meaning that at some points it’s goodbye to the past and a choice of joining in with the new. Sometimes you need to. No sure the club needs to. But as a fan the formation of the SL for me will be goodbye to football. And tbf it wouldn’t even be a big step as I’m no fan of the CL and UEFA whatsoever.
 
I honestly hope after digesting this news for the last 2 days that we are playing something shrewd and crafty to get our payback on the yanks and other established cartel clubs that have tried to fuck us over with FFP

I honestly pray that we have not done this solely on a business decision by jumping into bed with these twats after everything they have done to try and destroy our club and the owners reputations - something our opwners are all to aware of on a personal level

The reason they are doing this ESL is because they are hugely in debt - why would we want to help them out after all thats gone on before

Please let this be a power play where we have played a part in exposing them for what they are
 
In all honesty, I think the champions league has lacked true sporting integrity for a long time. The group games are between the big teams and whoever won the Bulgarian/Slovak league last season. That is a format that assumes winning the Bulgarian league is harder than finishing fifth in the Premier League/La Liga. It’s not, but because UEFA are a group of national federations it will never address that by constructing a tournament with true sporting integrity (ie finding a way of putting the twenty or so best clubs together in one contest with no fillers).

I don’t like the super league proposal, but the moral pearl clutching is beyond tedious. “It’s all about the money!” Well duh! So is the Premier League, and every other tournament in professional sport.

The founding members forever qualifying regardless of merit is ridiculous, but lets not pretend that the current champions league is perfect either - and uefa have now published proposals that will only make it worse.

The four most tedious games City played this season were the group games against Olympiakos and Marseille. Cheltenham gave us a better game. Am I excited by a potential mid table clash against Atletico? No, but anything has got to be better than some of the mind numbing tedium served up by the current (and future) champions league format. If UEFA can’t or won’t sort it out then someone else has to.

I wouldn’t put the super league ahead of our domestic football, but if it’s between the champions league and super league I’m 50/50, and don’t particularly see an great moral issue.
 
roubaixtuesday said:
It doesn't really matter to them - it won't affect their income stream either way.

Whatever the criteria are to be in those 5, the 5 have got to meet them (win domestic league, go through play offs etc) *and* compete in the same year's ESL if they're going to maintain their cashflow.

That'll be nigh on impossible competing against 15 clubs who don't need to give two fucks about their domestic league position, so will play their best players in the ESL (who will be paid far more than those from the 5).

So it'll be a rotating 5 almost certainly, with a financial position so much weaker they can't compete on two fronts.
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Only in the sense that it helps their brand that the permanent members are of a higher standard than the invited clubs. Imagine if a non member won it?
 
I've been watching things unfold on tv but haven't read all the posting s on here. My own thought is that if Pep were to walk out right now it would make everyone sit up and take notice. He doesn't need the money. He could get any job he wanted in football in future. It would be a clear "NO!" message to the money men. We would be robbed of the best manager we've ever had and we'd not win the UEFA Champions League - but if we go into the new setup we'll be stripped of honours anyway. Big price to pay but worth it. Sends a message and at least the rest of football would see that we're trying to stand up for the right thing. Maybe other managers would follow.
 
Churchlawtonblue said:
I understand that Bob, But you cant just tread over everyone else to get a bigger share of the pie. Sport is and should be a bit different as it gives a huge amount of people pleasure.
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I understand the sentiment. But it's just business. Shareholders (not fans or other stakeholders) are what drive business decisions by executives to maximise the money of their shareholders. The collatoral damage to City's 'legacy' monetary support will have been offset against the gain of incoming money for the SL (JP Morgan & whomever will be showcasing it) and the projections presented of the future income to be derived from majority 'new' markets - ie anywhere but Manchester/UK/Europe

Sadly sentiment is nowt.
 
Fred_Quimby said:
Unfortunately their proposal is all but cut and dried. It is what we are getting.
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It's still a lot better than the ESL's proposal, regulation is coming to football once the ESL falls flat on it's face, then hopefully we can get rid of these proposals.
 
BlueMoonz1977 said:
I honestly hope after digesting this news for the last 2 days that we are playing something shrewd and crafty to get our payback on the yanks and other established cartel clubs that have tried to fuck us over with FFP

I honestly pray that we have not done this solely on a business decision by jumping into bed with these twats after everything they have done to try and destroy our club and the owners reputations - something our opwners are all to aware of on a personal level

The reason they are doing this ESL is because they are hugely in debt - why would we want to help them out after all thats gone on before

Please let this be a power play where we have played a part in exposing them for what they are
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What do we gain from pulling out though?
Go crawling back to UEFA and beg to join their competition and play with PSG and Bayern, both the biggest opponents to us in world football.

Unless of course you think us leaving would collapse the whole deal which is not going to happen, they will just fill our spot with someone else.
 
kippaxwarrior said:
Yeah i get that and the new format is shite but teams like West Ham, Leicester could still qualify for the CL under that format if they finish in the top 4. Do you think they will be ever "invited" to the ESL?
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Have they still not mentioned how the 5 other places are qualified for? No idea what leagues they will go to. Or whether Perez just picks some teams he likes each year.
 
BillyShears said:
There's emotion, romance, and football fandom. Then there's the realities of a board of directors and the fiduciary duties of that board. Your post is pot on.

The question of returns is really at the root of this. The Americans want to jack their returns up and FAST. Roman and Mansour can probably afford to sit on the asset for another ten years, but the reality is with Silver Lake at the table also and with the harsh fact that they are going to go and head and try and do this regardless of City's stance, City had little choice.

Be on the outside pissing in or on the inside pissing out.
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The Yanks are deluded and unfortunately, in my opinion, Khaldoon and Soriano have massively misjudged this.

The growing unity of the people and football institutions against this can’t be ignored, all it takes is one club to back out for it to unravel and I hope it’s City.

I get why City have joined in fear of being left behind, but I hope they are realising in hindsight that if they had originally refused then there was no way that this would go ahead.
 
Here's my opinion and mine only - Tin Hat on

Are we really surprised about this - Football lost its morals a long time ago - It's been about money as long as I've loved the game (1978 onwards)

We as fans are craving for Haaland, Messi, Mbappe - they don't come for free. Everyone involved in football are fleecing us the fans - Players, agents, Clubs, TV companies, Kit companies, Leagues etc - yet we keep coming back

How many of us have been upset when we haven't outbid for a player and moaned "but we have more money" - we are also to blame for this as our expectations are to win at all costs

I think there is a play here from City - we know we don't need this money - but we may do if Uefa, Premier League etc keep putting restrictions on us.

This is us putting the middle finger up at UEFA but I'm sure also offering an olive branch to them as we are the most undecided of the 12 - remember UEFA have just put Tebas on their board, they tried to screw us and were party to it and went with it. Same with the Premier League clubs siding with the Yanks. Maybe its about time City had some influence in UEFA -

The best way to shut the ESL is if all players denounce playing it in - that way the product is crap and unmarketable the best players don't want in - Lets see how many do that? Mino wants Haaland to be the first £1m a week player - hmm wonder what Real and Barca told him.

Without players there is no ESL - If players don't denounce it then you see the picture - even they don't give a shit as their pockets will be lined.

I'm still not as upset as many - I chose City and will be City until the day I die whether we are in the ESL or not. Fuck me the current Government are creating more atrocities that this shit.
 
paulchapo said:
They can fuck off the hypocritical letter signers, they'd have jumped straight into bed with them too if asked. I agree that it should be stopped though.
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agreed - i expect the same outrage aimed at UEFA's new CL format that allows past history to allow a club like liverpool to finish 7th and still qualify

The whole of european football needs to be hit on the reset button with a sledgehammer
 
JASR said:
I understand the sentiment. But it's just business. Shareholders (not fans or other stakeholders) are what drive business decisions by executives to maximise the money of their shareholders. The collatoral damage to City's 'legacy' monetary support will have been offset against the gain of incoming money for the SL (JP Morgan & whomever will be showcasing it) and the projections presented of the future income to be derived from majority 'new' markets - eg Asia/Africa.

Sadly sentiment is nowt.
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it is to me and i suspect most on here.
 
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