It's Quiet Thread 15 - Txiki Blinders

[Xhavenjoe]

probably paper talk but i do wonder if there are rules coming in regarding foreign players due to brexit? We seem very set on potentially replacing outgoing players with english players?

I assumed the new rules are already in.

 

[Coatigan]

probably paper talk but i do wonder if there are rules coming in regarding foreign players due to brexit? We seem very set on potentially replacing outgoing players with english players? Or possibly just because they are less likely to kick up a fuss about the weather, culture etc?

Not due to Brexit, as far as I know, if it does comet to that. The proposals to increase the homengrow requitement have been in the pipeline for a fair while, before brexit was a thing.

 

[richards30]

Not due to Brexit, as far as I know, if it does comet to that. The proposals to increase the homengrow requitement have been in the pipeline for a fair while, before brexit was a thing.

ah right, wasnt aware of that mate. Just seems maybe pep has possibly got fed up with some players wanting to go home in a sense and maybe thinks buying english top class players that are already settled with family here etc and are used to the weather, food etc is the best way to go for the future?

 

[Sir peace frog]

Bernie went from messi like at Monaco to just a work horse like Milner. Gets praised for running about a lot on here and that’s about it these days.

Can't really argue with this

 

[Coatigan]

Bernie went from messi like at Monaco to just a work horse like Milner. Gets praised for running about a lot on here and that’s about it these days.

Guardiola, ruining players since 2008.

 

[blueparrot]

Not due to Brexit, as far as I know, if it does comet to that. The proposals to increase the homengrow requitement have been in the pipeline for a fair while, before brexit was a thing.

It has, but Brexit makes it easier to implement as there are now no freedom of movement rules.Would have been very difficult, pre brexit.

 

[simon23]

Then you`re totally deluded if you think Grealish is only a "good" player and all the nonsense about those players must be better if they have won trophies puts them streets ahead of anyone lese is just pure lazy sort of journalistic shite that only hacks would use.

What would you say make him a top class player then?

This is what I see of Grealish -

Ball retention - very good - however it usually ends up with him either being fouled or falling over trying to get a foul.....will he get those decisions when playing for us.....we have seen it with other players that we simply dont get those decisions. I also thinks he goes down very easy at times (unlike foden, bernardo)

Dribbling/beating a man... seems decent but not as good as Foden is already and no better than B. Silva

Crossing - seems decent but again nothing special - however probably bbetter than what we have in that sense so for me thats one big plus for him.

Creativity - not better than KDB despite any stats saying otherwise...David Silva didnt show up that well at times but most would agree he is the most creative player we have ever seen.

Goal scoring - Is he on par with Foden, KDB, or even Gundogan of last season (though I dont expect that to continue)...Play Bernardo more centrally and he will score you those goals as well.

Work rate - on par but again no better than certainly Sterling, Foden or Bernardo. ......better than Gundogan due to more athleticism.

Attitude/leadership - now leaving the off field stuff aside I know he is capt for Villa (however so was Ake for Bournmouth) so it doesnt naturally translate to coming into another team and we already have a set of leaders...Ferna, KDB, Sterling (who has hugely grown in the last 2 years in that sense)

Now where are we intending on playing him.....?

On the left....in place of Sterling or Foden - sterling had a bad season by his own admission last year BUT he has been outstanding previously

If not there or you move Sterling to the right then what about Mahrez (Im not a Mahrez fan by any means but he had a decent season last year)

No. 8 - is he going to replace Gundogan after he had the best season of his career?.

He isnt outsing KDB in the next two seasons.

Now is he going to be a number 6? - A bit centre of left field idea but could pep see him as the base of the midfield at some point (the quarterback or pivot role as some might say) - possibly but we have just renewed Ferna for a year and there is still Rodri.....I could see Pep however doing an amazing job of turning him into a number 6 but \i cannot see us spending all that money and then doing that to him (and we have Rodri, Ferna and the young lad Lavia who are natural in that position so its probably a complete no go).

I know its a squad game so Grealish (as others) could play multiple positions and be rotated so its simply not about one player replacing another. However the question for me is are his attributes better than the other players we have and Id say no overall (witht he exception of his crossing probably being better than anyone we have (besides KDB). If you say his goal scoring is better than Bernardos for instance you still have KDB, Gundogan, Foden Sterling who can all match his numbers.

For me he is a player we simply dont need and doesnt improve us.

 

[Manx Blue]

If we sign White we need to sign Dave Mackay ...

With White and Mackay we would get hammered every week

Would that be the right Blend, or would we need to look for Malt-ernatives?

 

[blueparrot]

What would you say make him a top class player then?

This is what I see of Grealish -

Ball retention - very good - however it usually ends up with him either being fouled or falling over trying to get a foul.....will he get those decisions when playing for us.....we have seen it with other players that we simply dont get those decisions. I also thinks he goes down very easy at times (unlike foden, bernardo)

Dribbling/beating a man... seems decent but not as good as Foden is already and no better than B. Silva

Crossing - seems decent but again nothing special - however probably bbetter than what we have in that sense so for me thats one big plus for him.

Creativity - not better than KDB despite any stats saying otherwise...David Silva didnt show up that well at times but most would agree he is the most creative player we have ever seen.

Goal scoring - Is he on par with Foden, KDB, or even Gundogan of last season (though I dont expect that to continue)...Play Bernardo more centrally and he will score you those goals as well.

Work rate - on par but again no better than certainly Sterling, Foden or Bernardo. ......better than Gundogan due to more athleticism.

Attitude/leadership - now leaving the off field stuff aside I know he is capt for Villa (however so was Ake for Bournmouth) so it doesnt naturally translate to coming into another team and we already have a set of leaders...Ferna, KDB, Sterling (who has hugely grown in the last 2 years in that sense)

Now where are we intending on playing him.....?

On the left....in place of Sterling or Foden - sterling had a bad season by his own admission last year BUT he has been outstanding previously

If not there or you move Sterling to the right then what about Mahrez (Im not a Mahrez fan by any means but he had a decent season last year)

No. 8 - is he going to replace Gundogan after he had the best season of his career?.

He isnt outsing KDB in the next two seasons.

Now is he going to be a number 6? - A bit centre of left field idea but could pep see him as the base of the midfield at some point (the quarterback or pivot role as some might say) - possibly but we have just renewed Ferna for a year and there is still Rodri.....I could see Pep however doing an amazing job of turning him into a number 6 but \i cannot see us spending all that money and then doing that to him (and we have Rodri, Ferna and the young lad Lavia who are natural in that position so its probably a complete no go).

I know its a squad game so Grealish (as others) could play multiple positions and be rotated so its simply not about one player replacing another. However the question for me is are his attributes better than the other players we have and Id say no overall (witht he exception of his crossing probably being better than anyone we have (besides KDB). If you say his goal scoring is better than Bernardos for instance you still have KDB, Gundogan, Foden Sterling who can all match his numbers.

For me he is a player we simply dont need and doesnt improve us.

Wrong questions, the question is what does Pep think his qualities are and does Pep think he can train him and mould him into a player that improves the team, instead of Bernardo. If we buy him it's because he thinks Grealish has the attributes to make the team better.

 

[mosssideblue]

What would you say make him a top class player then?

This is what I see of Grealish -

Ball retention - very good - however it usually ends up with him either being fouled or falling over trying to get a foul.....will he get those decisions when playing for us.....we have seen it with other players that we simply dont get those decisions. I also thinks he goes down very easy at times (unlike foden, bernardo)

Dribbling/beating a man... seems decent but not as good as Foden is already and no better than B. Silva

Crossing - seems decent but again nothing special - however probably bbetter than what we have in that sense so for me thats one big plus for him.

Creativity - not better than KDB despite any stats saying otherwise...David Silva didnt show up that well at times but most would agree he is the most creative player we have ever seen.

Goal scoring - Is he on par with Foden, KDB, or even Gundogan of last season (though I dont expect that to continue)...Play Bernardo more centrally and he will score you those goals as well.

Work rate - on par but again no better than certainly Sterling, Foden or Bernardo. ......better than Gundogan due to more athleticism.

Attitude/leadership - now leaving the off field stuff aside I know he is capt for Villa (however so was Ake for Bournmouth) so it doesnt naturally translate to coming into another team and we already have a set of leaders...Ferna, KDB, Sterling (who has hugely grown in the last 2 years in that sense)

Now where are we intending on playing him.....?

On the left....in place of Sterling or Foden - sterling had a bad season by his own admission last year BUT he has been outstanding previously

If not there or you move Sterling to the right then what about Mahrez (Im not a Mahrez fan by any means but he had a decent season last year)

No. 8 - is he going to replace Gundogan after he had the best season of his career?.

He isnt outsing KDB in the next two seasons.

Now is he going to be a number 6? - A bit centre of left field idea but could pep see him as the base of the midfield at some point (the quarterback or pivot role as some might say) - possibly but we have just renewed Ferna for a year and there is still Rodri.....I could see Pep however doing an amazing job of turning him into a number 6 but \i cannot see us spending all that money and then doing that to him (and we have Rodri, Ferna and the young lad Lavia who are natural in that position so its probably a complete no go).

I know its a squad game so Grealish (as others) could play multiple positions and be rotated so its simply not about one player replacing another. However the question for me is are his attributes better than the other players we have and Id say no overall (witht he exception of his crossing probably being better than anyone we have (besides KDB). If you say his goal scoring is better than Bernardos for instance you still have KDB, Gundogan, Foden Sterling who can all match his numbers.

For me he is a player we simply dont need and doesnt improve us.

I think you have been so intent on claiming Grealish isn't all that, you have now resorted to comparing him against the best we have in each position/category.

Using that basis, no one would be good enough.

Could I politely suggest, we have got your message, and you have created much humour with your posts, but now might be a time to quietly fade away from the debate because the more you post, the more you seem to be embarrassing yourself.