Var debate 2019/20

[Theengelbert]

I dont have an issue with VAR and I expect it will get more decisions right than wrong, but wtf does it take so long to reach a decision

Well.. I’ll give you a clue.. 500 posts on this thread, all looking at the goal from different angles and it’s still 50/50 split of goal vs no goal

What they need is a panel of say 5 experts, all have a goal or no goal button and they have to press it in 10 seconds

 

[MillionMilesAway]

So the VAR staff can invoke what they choose ? It's open too so much corruption when they can show the angles they choose and which dessisions they choose to look at. It's shit and as I stated earlier in the thread is would rather put up with a few bent refs than some faceless bent twat that can't be called out

I believe it works like this:
every goal is reivewed
offsides or ball out of play can be judged definitively by VAR as they are yes/no incidents without onfield input
possible fouls/handballs are judgement calls, and VAR can recommend that the ref review at pitchside (this obviously failed at Schalke)

 

[inbetween]

harsh to blame this one on Sky, I'd think.

Not blaming Sky at all but why haven't the VAR refs got access to all angles regardless?

What is the point in it if they haven't?

 

[The Light Was Yellow Sir]

So refereering decisions via VAR are not decided by the refs but by Sky Sports?

I'm not a tin foil hat person but how come the second angle is available now but not at the time?

I’m not sure why that would be but the Italian VAR referee is, apparently, widely regarded as the best one. He’s seen a handball but it can’t have been from that slowed down footage shown on tv.
What’s really frustrating is that if the pitch side monitor wasn’t working, like against Schalke, it would have been disallowed.
When I saw the replay the ref saw, i thought it wasn’t handball but when BT (the host broadcaster), then shows another angle that clearly shows it hits his hand, you do wonder what the point of VAR is.

As an interesting aside, I believe that is the first decision in the CL, that has gone to VAR, that HASN’T been overturned...........

 

[MillionMilesAway]

Not blaming Sky at all but why haven't the VAR refs got access to all angles regardless?

What is the point in it if they haven't?

Failure to provide angles - absolutely.

My comment was more that it's harsh to blame Sky for a BT sport show! Not a comment on the concept of broadcaster influence.

 

[Theengelbert]

I think I’m done with football after this season. Not sure if I’m just feeling bitter about last night, but for me something about my love for football died last night with VAR. it genuinely felt like aguero moment part 2 with me going mental for about 3 minutes and then it being ruled out. The spontaneity will go with VAR and it’ll take away one of the main reasons I love football over sports like cricket

 

[Marvin]

Even if the video assistance is used. It's all 2nd spur of the moment stuff, and they are going to make mistakes. For me a video panel should only intervene if it's clear and obvious error. I am thinking of how it should be in future, not how it is now where all goals are I believe reviewed. I do not know all the VAR insights and rules.

I hope City fans are not going to go down any conspiracy route. We lost out on the night in the most marginal of circumstances and it feels draining and very disappointing but we still have a lot to fight for and the right thing feels like focusing 100% on the next game.

 

[give it to gordon]

Is it VAR or just us fans aren't told the rules
If it hits a defenders arm pen
If it hits a strikers arm goal.

They can 'see' Agureo was off side but can't see it hit the spurs players arm ....who decides what view/angle to show the ref ????

 

[mosssideblue]

Well.. I’ll give you a clue.. 500 posts on this thread, all looking at the goal from different angles and it’s still 50/50 split of goal vs no goal

What they need is a panel of say 5 experts, all have a goal or no goal button and they have to press it in 10 seconds

Why do I need a clue?. Its a very simple process that should be able to conclude a decision in seconds, not minutes. I suppose its the VARs panel 15 min of fame moment so they milk it

 

[Marvin]

I think I’m done with football after this season. Not sure if I’m just feeling bitter about last night, but for me something about my love for football died last night with VAR. it genuinely felt like aguero moment part 2 with me going mental for about 3 minutes and then it being ruled out. The spontaneity will go with VAR and it’ll take away one of the main reasons I love football over sports like cricket

It will change I think. It has to. I was holding back celebrating all the goals last night and that's not right.